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Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little longer) for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at getting in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right" Interesting in the middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers, had three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about 162 lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came in between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top three finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . . Pretty strong arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM

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Sorry Mike,
I disagree,Those that went to Perth  for Pacrim were given a real lesson among the middleweights by that man they call Bugs.Racing an older kart with one of  the original sails ever made, showed us,like young Hayden, what good sailors can do.Bugs would be middle to high on the weight scale for middleweights,and in races he would do voluntary 360s  and still blizs the field.His comments on battens,telltales ect, played little in his workshop discussions on sailing with the Blokarters there.Reading what is happening ahead with wind shifts,being smooth in tacks,keeping rolling speed up are more important to him.It  just showed me that all the fancy bits I have, wont make any dent in a good sailor.
Ross M (BOP)
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Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little longer) for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at getting in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right" Interesting in the middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers, had three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about 162 lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came in between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top three finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . . Pretty strong arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM

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Hi Mike

There is a proposal that sand bags be added (like horse racing) to weight every one up to the same class.  Then where are they put (as this affects performance).   I  speak from personal experience – I managed to beat Haydn for the speed record (we were previously 1=) at Bruce Pulman Park. Then I found he’d had all his tools, spare tyres etc in the front of his kart to prevent lift off.  That time weight ruled.

I also hear of sailors wearing weight belts.  Never heard of that in Lasers, but I’ve thought about it for Blokarts.

And then there are those that weigh in and then loose weight (you want the recipe – but I reckon you probably know that one, but won’t pay the price).  Do we start weighing people every race?

I think you’ll find the reverse of the weight theory in heavy winds, and then there is when to change from 4 to 3m sail.  Again there is a wind range where who is fastest changes.  I just love the heavy winds.  So there is a lot of luck, and skill knowing which sail to use, and what to do with the battens tension, etc.  If it weren’t for a few variables, we wouldn’t need to race.

How about putting liners inside the tyres and inflating the tubes to 100 psi – that helps too it the light wind (did it on my bike as I got too may blowouts!)  Where does it stop?

Too much food for thought – is it fattening too?

Cheers

Grant


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Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 2:53 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [blokart] Poll Results for "Batterns - what should be allowed?"

Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little longer) for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at getting in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right" Interesting in the middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers, had three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about 162 lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came in between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top three finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . . Pretty strong arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM


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Now that let the cat out of the bag!

Grant


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Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 4:09 p.m.
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Sorry Mike,

I disagree,Those that went to Perth  for Pacrim were given a real lesson among the middleweights by that man they call Bugs.Racing an older kart with one of  the original sails ever made, showed us,like young Hayden, what good sailors can do.Bugs would be middle to high on the weight scale for middleweights,and in races he would do voluntary 360s  and still blizs the field.His comments on battens,telltales ect, played little in his workshop discussions on sailing with the Blokarters there.Reading what is happening ahead with wind shifts,being smooth in tacks,keeping rolling speed up are more important to him.It  just showed me that all the fancy bits I have, wont make any dent in a good sailor.

Ross M (BOP)

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Subject: Re: [blokart] Poll Results for "Batterns - what should be allowed?"

Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little longer) for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at getting in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right" Interesting in the middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers, had three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about 162 lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came in between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top three finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . . Pretty strong arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM


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Hi Mike
I weighed in at over 73kg at the NZ Open which ruins your weight theory somewhat. I don't think a 5–10kg weight difference makes a blind bit of difference between pilots. People like John Nicholson and Russell race in the over 85 kg class and they are still consistantly faster than most of the light weight racers, even in light winds.

Haydn

Mr Blokart America <(Address removed)> said:

Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little
longer)
for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at
getting
in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry

level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right"
Interesting in the
middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers,
had
three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about
162
lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came
in
between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top
three
finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . .
Pretty strong
arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM

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Hi Mike,

 

I think i have to agree with Haydn… Last year in the NZ-open me (75 kg) and another heavy weight NZL guy (can’t remember his name) set the fastest speeds around the track (over 30 km/h) in very light winds! Remember you performance in the UK. You where fast and heavy weight. I only succeeded to beat you once and then it was blowing like… Ok you broke your steering but I was in front J.

 

Nico from Belgium

 

 


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Re: [blokart] Poll Results for "Batterns - what should be allowed?"

 

Hi Mike
I weighed in at over 73kg at the NZ Open which ruins your weight theory somewhat. I don't think a 5–10kg weight difference makes a blind bit of difference between pilots. People like John Nicholson and Russell race in the over 85 kg class and they are still consistantly faster than most of the light weight racers, even in light winds.

Haydn

Mr Blokart America <(Address removed)> said:
Informal polls – I would think a minimum of 24 hours (maybe a little
longer)
for a full round the globe cycle would give everyone a quick shot at
getting
in.

Hayden doesn't need tell tales as he is about a half kilo from the entry

level of his weight class. Even in Lasers "Light – is right"
Interesting in the
middlewight performance class at the NZ Open, the top three finishers,
had
three of the lightest pilots in the weight class on board.
I'm guessing Hayden was about 155 lbs or 70.45 K. I know Sean was about
162
lbs. or 73.6 K. good for third place. So if the second place pilot came
in
between (Hayden) 70.5 K and (Sean) 73.6 K. That would match the top
three
finishers in order with body weight lightest to heaviest. Hmmm . . .
Pretty strong
arguement for being the lightest in your weight class.

Food for thought,

MM

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The great debate  continues, I have been watching this issue with increasing interest and agree 90% of the points been raised, then something struck me, are we trying to refine this sport to such a degree that it is losing it's original charm and as PB stated the spirit of the sport and machine, I started comparing it with other sports, take golf for instance the rules are the same the world over but players play with such a wide varity of clubs, style and make, the WOODS were wood once and now are anything from stainless steel to titanium and shafts from stainless to graphite,  players have them custom made to suit their style and playing ability within the parameters of the specified rules, tennis is no different, compare a tennis racket of even 20 year vintage to a latest model on the shelf and what do you have ??? but the playing rules are the same. Rugby yes well we used to play with leather balls and now ? your probably wondering by now, whats he burbling about, however it shows how sport moves on with technology,  the Blokart being no exception, from an early model to the latest, current replacment parts which have changed over the years can be retrofitted to it, seems he got the design concept right from the start.
Now I am not suggesting for a minute here that any part goes made by whoever, but merely pointing out comparisons to other sports who have tight rules but
wider tolerances in equipment.
As a scrutineer in the 2006 Open I found the main points that arose were concerns of equipment that could fail during a race, for instance, down haul anchor rivets loose being fairly common, seat bolts loose and missing spacers, and similar things that were more a maintanence issue than rule breaking.
I for one would not like to turn up at a event to race supplied Karts because of the risk of mere tinkering with your equipment (within the specified limits), no other sport has this constitution.
My vote goes to the K.I.S.S. factor.
 
Cheers.
Bob Harding
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Hmmm . . . never had a physics class so you guys got me there. But it is difficult to think of ANY craft, that is NOT sensitive to increased or decreased weight. So if a blokart is NOT weight sensitive, I for one would like to find out what magic formula PB has designed into it so that weight is not a factor. Because I would really like to use the idea to improve the fuel usage in my car by making weight a non-issue.

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Hi Mike,

Just like blokarting – pump up the tyres, make sure the alignment is correct, tighten up the suspension, make sure the bearings are in good order, avoid bits on the car which create windage and drive smoothly – you’ll save lots of gas

Rgds

Bruce


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Hmmm . . . never had a physics class so you guys got me there. But it is difficult to think of ANY craft, that is NOT sensitive to increased or decreased weight. So if a blokart is NOT weight sensitive, I for one would like to find out what magic formula PB has designed into it so that weight is not a factor. Because I would really like to use the idea to improve the fuel usage in my car by making weight a non-issue.

MM

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