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My recent trip to the EU Champs was my first multi-day racing experience on a beach. The very fine sand and salt water seemed to get into the bearings within minutes and turn the lube into a brown muddy goo. As a result, I had to clean out and relubricate the bearings at the end of each race day. I almost would have preferred to put a clean set in after each race but that was not realistic. How do you regular "beach bum blokarters" handle this?

Cheers,
MM

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Hi Mike,
Well done on your Euro success. For the beach I go back to stainless bearings as supplied by blokart or the cheap equivalent and make sure seals are tight. Always get a bit of sand and water after 2–3 hrs but this cleans out easily for next time. Last time I'd left in the $2 bearings used at the NZ Open so just chucked these as they seized up quickly after I had finished.
Some seals seem better than others and have found the ones from blokart pretty good. Others may have suggestions on different seal types. Regards
Russell

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Russell,

Thanks for your feedback. I talked to a non-Blokarter engineer friend of mine. His perspective is to try and "double seal" the bearings whenever grit and/or sand is a problem. I saw what looked like a plastic dust cap over the bearing area on one side of a front wheel at the NZ Open. PB tends to get a bit excited when I talk about this stuff in public, but I'm bringing it up anyway. Anyone experimenting with this kind of an idea?

Thanks,
MM

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Hi Mike,

 

On my rental blokarts I use the standard bearings and they last about 2 years. Which is pretty good considering the amount of hours they run every week!

 

The cap on the front Wheel is great to keep the grit and sand out of the bearings. If we could have the same on the rear wheels that would be super.

 

When I was racing in the NZL open last year and learned about cleaning out the bearings I was surprised. It is faster but… Cleaned out bearing on the beach only hold out 1 day!!! Sop that makes it a bit expensive to do every race…

 

Hope to see you soon Mike. I really want to race you again soon.

 

Nico

 


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My recent trip to the EU Champs was my first multi-day racing experience on a beach. The very fine sand and salt water seemed to get into the bearings within minutes and turn the lube into a brown muddy goo. As a result, I had to clean out and relubricate the bearings at the end of each race day. I almost would have preferred to put a clean set in after each race but that was not realistic. How do you regular "beach bum blokarters" handle this?

Cheers,
MM

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Greetings Mike,

Standard seals shouldn’t have this problem, as you describe it, unless the wear-and-tear process is “assisted” a bit. During the scrutiny exercise at the 2006 NZ Opens, I saw many seals so “worn”, that I could see the bearings rolling about. (Ooops, have I inadvertently dropped a speed enhancement tip). Now what is the point of the rule of having outer seals if they have been subjected to “Orbit-Re-entry wear and tear”?

Personally I believe that wheels and sails (and battens) should be issued at the races to have all competitors compete in skill rather than “shaving-skills”. However, I believe we’re 2, 3 or 4 years away from that point in International blokart Racing.

In the interim, Bearings and Bearing Seals remain a touchy point.

You can clean and re-lube the bearings – I think that’s OK

Shaving Bearing Seals is NOT OK in my view. Having Cut Seals is equivalent to having NO Seals – in terms of friction. (And that makes a HUGE difference)

Should Bearing Seals be a “PINK” Race Seal Issue? Or should there be a daily Colour coded Race Seal Issue, over multiple day race events???  Making a rule is one thing…. Making it police-able to keep all attendants on even keel is another “belly-of-jelly” (fish).

Have your say at the BAI – International Skype conferences.

In a similar vein, from the recent global meet are the battens.

I believe agreement was reached on one blatantly clear statement in the rules. Modification DOES NOT EQUAL Replacement. I am happy that the BAI-International conference call maintained this “1-Design” ruling. After all, we’re out to promote and compete in a “1-Design” Sports. To clarify this and some other parts of the blokart it would probably be practical to set a “last release date and recent release date” on blokart standard items.

It will prevent both “Fred Flintstone” turning up with granite tyres and/or “Richard Branson”/”Bill Gates” (for Americans) with “the latest” titanium bearings…..

… just some thoughts…

We regularly race on the beach here with fairly fine sand and I tested some complete foils for a while but it’s not standard gear. After all collecting a kilo of sand inside a rim isn’t going to make anybody fast but since we all collect the same amount (roughly) we all remain on an even keel if we just stick to the standard uncut/unassisted-wear gear throughout a race.

Cleaning your gear out after the race or after the race-day is the only option I guess.

I and most probably everybody with beach-racing experience agree that the BEACH is THE place. Location, clean wind(when it’s on-land) and forgiving(No MSPs etc). However, unless you have a huge flat beach, as they have in Belgium, Northern Netherlands/Germany and Denmark and probably some other places I don’t know about, organising races with a 4-6 hour window around low tide makes a very risky business for a Championship committee. Take to a grass, off-road, concrete or desert location and the whole window-thing goes away since you’re not dependant on tides.

In advancing reliable events, within reason, I guess beach racing events will become a novelty.

Best regards,

Jimi

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Subject: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

My recent trip to the EU Champs was my first multi-day racing experience on a beach. The very fine sand and salt water seemed to get into the bearings within minutes and turn the lube into a brown muddy goo. As a result, I had to clean out and relubricate the bearings at the end of each race day. I almost would have preferred to put a clean set in after each race but that was not realistic. How do you regular "beach bum blokarters" handle this?

Cheers,
MM


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Jimi,

BTW, I saw the PIC of Santa and helper all dressed in red. Should become the standard blokart racing garb, yes? I like it.

Thanks for the feedback. I thought the dust at Ivanpah was bad but take desert dust and add salt water and its bad news for bearings. My experience on the beach was an education all around but that was the most problematic.

As for the battens at the Open, I agree we should and will eventually get close to a one design class. The problem there was NOT that only blokart battens were to be allowed. It was the lack of clarity on the interpretation of the rule as evidenced by the long line of people at the grinder after the rule was "clarified." Seems there was one group who were "absolutely sure" it read one way and another group who were "equally sure" it read the opposite. I would suggest, that in most peoples minds, THAT does not represent clarity.

From my own point of view, I would not have come to the event with anything other then blokart battens, had it been clear. In fact, I am not willing to (and neither are at least two other Americans I talked too) travel half way around the globe only to find a "last minute clarification" disallows equipment I had spent considerable time preparing and counting on to use.

To be sure, when the committee makes its final draft of an equipment document, there will lots of "scrutineering" going on around the globe with many questions on what exactly is the intent of the rules makers given their wording of said rules.
Again, I am in support of the one design concept. I am not in support of what is effectively a last minute rules change for some when it is not made crystal clear in the beginning.

Now would you like me tell everyone how I REALLY feel! :-)

Regards to all,
MM

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Hi Mike,

I personally prefer a black cape and ftat-brimmed hat!  All that furry stuff gets caught in the bearings, and that’s not safe.

Regarding the rules, we certainly got the battens wrong – and I expect we’ll get a few more things wrong, but it isn’t until an event that the rules can be put to the test.  Making a mistake is all part of the process of learning – what we should not allow is for the same mistake to be made twice.  The Parliamentarians have made a career out of rule making and they still haven’t got it right.  So do we really want to send all our time making, breaking and bending rules, and hearing protests? I think not.  That will drive people away from the sport.

Our challenge, through great debate like this, is too determine what people really want.  As you know Mike, we all sat in a room and we could not get agreement on what the rule meant or what we wanted it to say – so we made a compromise.  Now we have our chance to get that one right.

For my 10 cents worth, standard battens have always been my personal choice.  Yes, there are faster sailors than me that use shaved battens.  Yes, shaved battens can be better in light winds, but it is like a car with a peaky torque curve, they only work in certain situations.  But I just love it when people tinker and make their karts slower, while kidding themselves that they have made an improvement.  In light winds on Thursday I sailed two karts, with and without standard battens, with my rival in the other kart.  Standard Battens rule in my opinion!

But without tinkering and innovation we may not have had CRBs, mast cranes, batten tensioners, modified downhauls, deuces, Pods……But for events we can’t have a free-for-all either.

So how we create that balance is the real challenge!  If we only sailed in stronger winds, the effect of the battens would be negligible – but we’d sail less often.  Bearings, weight, battens and technique make a huge difference in light winds.

So to everyone reading this, make your views known to you country representative so we can develop an international consensus, and use this as a forum to discuss your ideas.

Mike, many of us know how you feel, and you are not alone – thanks for the input!

Cheers

Grant2


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Jimi,

BTW, I saw the PIC of Santa and helper all dressed in red. Should become the standard blokart racing garb, yes? I like it.

Thanks for the feedback. I thought the dust at Ivanpah was bad but take desert dust and add salt water and its bad news for bearings.. My experience on the beach was an education all around but that was the most problematic.

As for the battens at the Open, I agree we should and will eventually get close to a one design class. The problem there was NOT that only blokart battens were to be allowed. It was the lack of clarity on the interpretation of the rule as evidenced by the long line of people at the grinder after the rule was "clarified." Seems there was one group who were "absolutely sure" it read one way and another group who were "equally sure" it read the opposite. I would suggest, that in most peoples minds, THAT does not represent clarity.

From my own point of view, I would not have come to the event with anything other then blokart battens, had it been clear. In fact, I am not willing to (and neither are at least two other Americans I talked too) travel half way around the globe only to find a "last minute clarification" disallows equipment I had spent considerable time preparing and counting on to use.

To be sure, when the committee makes its final draft of an equipment document, there will lots of "scrutineering" going on around the globe with many questions on what exactly is the intent of the rules makers given their wording of said rules.
Again, I am in support of the one design concept. I am not in support of what is effectively a last minute rules change for some when it is not made crystal clear in the beginning.

Now would you like me tell everyone how I REALLY feel! :-)

Regards to all,
MM


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<< black cape and ftat-brimmed hat! >>

Grant,
Add a rapier and black eye mask and you have the makings of a "B" movie remake. (B is for "Bad" or "Blokart"—your choice)

As for the world of blokart, I am as much a tinkerer as anyone as I believe innovation is the life blood for a good idea to keep moving forward. And I believe blokart has and continues to do that. I think that is a GOOD thing. For every 10 ideas MAYBE ONE will actually be useful.

The issue of course is not the equipment itself, because as we go down the road, we are all going to end up at the same place anyway as far as hardware is concerned. That is the essence of one design. However, for one design to actually work, the people involved not only must have a CLEAR understanding of the criteria but that understanding must MATCH the understanding of everyone else. (or at least come real close) So it matters little what the criteria is, but more important that we are on the SAME PAGE.

Keep at it, the committee is on the right path.

Enough of my blah, blah, blah, I'm going B-karting.

Pray for smooth ice!

MM

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Grant Crawshay wrote:

Hi Mike,

I personally prefer a black cape and ftat-brimmed hat! All that furry
stuff gets caught in the bearings, and that’s not safe.

Regarding the rules, we certainly got the battens wrong – and I expect
we’ll get a few more things wrong, but it isn’t until an event that
the rules can be put to the test. Making a mistake is all part of the
process of learning – what we should not allow is for the same mistake
to be made twice. The Parliamentarians have made a career out of rule
making and they still haven’t got it right. So do we really want to
send all our time making, breaking and bending rules, and hearing
protests? I think not. That will drive people away from the sport.

Our challenge, through great debate like this, is too determine what
people really want. As you know Mike, we all sat in a room and we
could not get agreement on what the rule meant or what we wanted it to
say – so we made a compromise. Now we have our chance to get that one
right.

For my 10 cents worth, standard battens have always been my personal
choice. Yes, there are faster sailors than me that use shaved
battens. Yes, shaved battens can be better in light winds, but it is
like a car with a peaky torque curve, they only work in certain
situations. But I just love it when people tinker and make their
karts slower, while kidding themselves that they have made an
improvement. In light winds on Thursday
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I sailed two karts, with and without standard battens, with my rival
in the other kart. Standard Battens rule in my opinion!

But without tinkering and innovation we may not have had CRBs, mast
cranes, batten tensioners, modified downhauls, deuces, Pods……But for
events we can’t have a free-for-all either.

So how we create that balance is the real challenge! If we only
sailed in stronger winds, the effect of the battens would be
negligible – but we’d sail less often. Bearings, weight, battens and
technique make a huge difference in light winds.

So to everyone reading this, make your views known to you country
representative so we can develop an international consensus, and use
this as a forum to discuss your ideas.

Mike, many of us know how you feel, and you are not alone – thanks for
the input!

Cheers

Grant2

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Jimi,

BTW, I saw the PIC of Santa and helper all dressed in red. Should
become the standard blokart racing garb, yes? I like it.

Thanks for the feedback. I thought the dust at Ivanpah was bad but
take desert dust and add salt water and its bad news for bearings.. My
experience on the beach was an education all around but that was the
most problematic.

As for the battens at the Open, I agree we should and will eventually
get close to a one design class. The problem there was NOT that only
blokart battens were to be allowed. It was the lack of clarity on the
interpretation of the rule as evidenced by the long line of people at
the grinder after the rule was "clarified." Seems there was one group
who were "absolutely sure" it read one way and another group who were
"equally sure" it read the opposite. I would suggest, that in most
peoples minds, THAT does not represent clarity.

From my own point of view, I would not have come to the event with
anything other then blokart battens, had it been clear. In fact, I am
not willing to (and neither are at least two other Americans I talked
too) travel half way around the globe only to find a "last minute
clarification" disallows equipment I had spent considerable time
preparing and counting on to use.

To be sure, when the committee makes its final draft of an equipment
document, there will lots of "scrutineering" going on around the globe
with many questions on what exactly is the intent of the rules makers
given their wording of said rules.
Again, I am in support of the one design concept. I am not in support
of what is effectively a last minute rules change for some when it is
not made crystal clear in the beginning.

Now would you like me tell everyone how I REALLY feel! :-)

Regards to all,
MM

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Hi Grant,

I have some time on my hands so I thought I would contribute – apologies for personal references to your karting ability

On the issue of even playing fields – please don’t regulate out all the mystery!

I am not afraid to admit that I would love to have a secret technical advantage to make up for my inefficiencies as a sailor which would guarantee I would always beat you! Hence lately my being a blokart dealers dream customer – always first to purchase new design wheels and tyres, extra carbons etc.

Swapping karts with Russell on Sunday clearly demonstrated to me that this sport is as much about the tools as it is about the technique. Both require skill and exist in Blokarting Racing as a symbiotic relationship.

The challenge which I am enjoying immensely  is trying to maximise both.

This is not what your nemesis, Jenny, would say – she has very little input into her kart tuning except to tell me in no uncertain terms when it feels wrong. But – guess what – I got great pleasure when she and her really old black kart with modified battens and careful choice of carbons was able to beat you in your shiny new stainless rocket with standard battens. Was that her skill as a sailor or mine as the mechanic or you being a gentleman?

The really great and special thing about blokarting is we never really know – so we keep coming back trying to find out.

What does standardisation really mean?

If there is a strong voice for standardisation in championship racing then lets not have any doubt as what this can only mean – it means all racers in brand new karts and sails out of the box which have been carefully measured for accurate alignment. Then, like they do with the horses, riders are weighted to reach the top weight within their classes. This is entirely feasible if B/K International and BIA want this. Build 20 to 30  karts and lease out the karts for each race to the racers on a draw system. Say $10.00 a race – much cheaper than airfreight! The raced karts will be quite saleable after the series – or even could be reserved as a fleet for other events. Appoint a fleet manager and small team to check tyre pressure, batten tension and do sail changes if required and lock up the karts at night.  

Standardisation can not possibly, even remotely, mean new karts racing against old, stainless against powdercoat, white and black sails against commercially available coloured ones, different versions of axels, front wheels, bearings and tyres.

So to stir the pot (as you know I am want to do occasionally) I close with this comment

 

How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?

Rgds

Bruce

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Hi Bruce,

I’m glad you raised these points, particularly the “Olympic” concept of one design.  You are not alone.  And I’m sure blokart international would be interested in embracing this!  Meanwhile we need something that everyone can abide by.  Can we actually tell what is or isn’t a blokart™ batten? Will we start blueprinting them?

I too enjoy a bit of mystery about what makes a kart go fast too – and I might just get out my secret weapon (blokart #110) to give Jenny a run for her money (we’ll, mine actually – all $2 of it for the challenge!). But perhaps you had better get Jenny to check the latest twilight scratch results and see how she rates her chances.  Perhaps there is a pattern in my wins and loses?

But what really counts is consistency – look at the winners – is that their secret!  There is mystery to burn.  And as to where the skill and cultured gentlemen are (were) – we’ll – only time will tell!  Feeling good about the kart wins races – look at Jenny, Alex and I suspect Haydn!

I don’t have an answer with your poser: “How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?”

Shades of grey?

Grant2


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To: (Address removed)
Subject: RE: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

Hi Grant,

I have some time on my hands so I thought I would contribute – apologies for personal references to your karting ability

On the issue of even playing fields – please don’t regulate out all the mystery!

I am not afraid to admit that I would love to have a secret technical advantage to make up for my inefficiencies as a sailor which would guarantee I would always beat you! Hence lately my being a blokart dealers dream customer – always first to purchase new design wheels and tyres,

extra carbons etc.

Swapping karts

with Russell on Sunday clearly demonstrated to me that this sport is as much about the tools as it is about the technique. Both require skill and exist in Blokarting Racing as a symbiotic relationship.

The challenge which I am enjoying immensely  is trying to maximise both.

This is not what your nemesis, Jenny, would say – she has very little input into her kart tuning except to tell me in no uncertain terms when it feels wrong. But – guess what – I got great pleasure when she and her really old black kart with modified battens and careful choice of carbons was able to beat you in your shiny new stainless rocket with standard battens. Was that her skill as a sailor or mine as the mechanic or you being a gentleman?

The really great and special thing about blokarting is we never really know – so we keep coming back trying to find out.

What does standardisation really mean?

If there is a strong voice for standardisation in championship racing then lets not have any doubt as what this can only mean – it means all racers in brand new karts and sails out of the box which have been carefully measured for accurate alignment. Then, like they do with the horses, riders are weighted to reach the top weight within their classes. This is entirely feasible if B/K International and BIA want this. Build 20 to 30  karts and lease out the karts for each race to the racers on a draw system. Say $10.00 a race – much cheaper than airfreight! The raced karts will be quite saleable after the series – or even could be reserved as a fleet for other events. Appoint a fleet manager and small team to check tyre pressure, batten tension and do sail changes if required and lock up the karts at night.  

Standardisation can not possibly, even remotely, mean new karts racing against old, stainless against powdercoat, white and black sails against commercially available coloured ones, different versions of axels, front wheels, bearings and tyres.

So to stir the pot (as you know I am want to do occasionally) I close with this comment

How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?

Rgds

Bruce


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I agree with the 1 Design ruling so as to keep the sport on a level playing field, but I hope this sport does not become bound by the politics of rules that the fun goes from the sport.

 

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Hi Grant,

I have some time on my hands so I thought I would contribute – apologies for personal references to your karting ability

On the issue of even playing fields – please don’t regulate out all the mystery!

I am not afraid to admit that I would love to have a secret technical advantage to make up for my inefficiencies as a sailor which would guarantee I would always beat you! Hence lately my being a blokart dealers dream customer – always first to purchase new design wheels and tyres,

extra carbons etc.

Swapping karts

with Russell on Sunday clearly demonstrated to me that this sport is as much about the tools as it is about the technique. Both require skill and exist in Blokarting Racing as a symbiotic relationship.

The challenge which I am enjoying immensely  is trying to maximise both.

This is not what your nemesis, Jenny, would say – she has very little input into her kart tuning except to tell me in no uncertain terms when it feels wrong. But – guess what – I got great pleasure when she and her really old black kart with modified battens and careful choice of carbons was able to beat you in your shiny new stainless rocket with standard battens. Was that her skill as a sailor or mine as the mechanic or you being a gentleman?

The really great and special thing about blokarting is we never really know – so we keep coming back trying to find out.

What does standardisation really mean?

If there is a strong voice for standardisation in championship racing then lets not have any doubt as what this can only mean – it means all racers in brand new karts and sails out of the box which have been carefully measured for accurate alignment. Then, like they do with the horses, riders are weighted to reach the top weight within their classes. This is entirely feasible if B/K International and BIA want this. Build 20 to 30  karts and lease out the karts for each race to the racers on a draw system. Say $10.00 a race – much cheaper than airfreight! The raced karts will be quite saleable after the series – or even could be reserved as a fleet for other events. Appoint a fleet manager and small team to check tyre pressure, batten tension and do sail changes if required and lock up the karts at night.  

Standardisation can not possibly, even remotely, mean new karts racing against old, stainless against powdercoat, white and black sails against commercially available coloured ones, different versions of axels, front wheels, bearings and tyres.

So to stir the pot (as you know I am want to do occasionally) I close with this comment

 

How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?

Rgds

Bruce

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Hi Mike,

The 2006 blokart front wheel has been developed to carry a hubcap over the wheel nut that’s what you saw on some front wheels at the nz open.

Jono Craig

Research & Development

 

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<< black cape and ftat-brimmed hat! >>

Grant,
Add a rapier and black eye mask and you have the makings of a "B" movie remake. (B is for "Bad" or "Blokart" -- your choice)

As for the world of blokart, I am as much a tinkerer as anyone as I believe innovation is the life blood for a good idea to keep moving forward. And I believe blokart has and continues to do that. I think that is a GOOD thing. For every 10 ideas MAYBE ONE will actually be useful.

The issue of course is not the equipment itself, because as we go down the road, we are all going to end up at the same place anyway as far as hardware is concerned. That is the essence of one design. However, for one design to actually work, the people involved not only must have a CLEAR understanding of the criteria but that understanding must MATCH the understanding of everyone else. (or at least come real close) So it matters little what the criteria is, but more important that we are on the SAME PAGE.

Keep at it, the committee is on the right path.

Enough of my blah, blah, blah, I'm going B-karting.

Pray for smooth ice!

MM


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From my observations and personal experience, even standard Blokart battens perform differently from Blokart to Blokart. Are they truly built and shaped to the exact same specifications?
 
My 2 cents worth. Or is that now 10 cents?
Dave


From: Garry [mailto:(Address removed)]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:52 PM
To: (Address removed)
Subject: RE: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

I agree with the 1 Design ruling so as to keep the sport on a level playing field, but I hope this sport does not become bound by the politics of rules that the fun goes from the sport.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hales [mailto:(Address removed)]
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 1:48 p.m.
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Hi Grant,

I have some time on my hands so I thought I would contribute – apologies for personal references to your karting ability

On the issue of even playing fields – please don’t regulate out all the mystery!

I am not afraid to admit that I would love to have a secret technical advantage to make up for my inefficiencies as a sailor which would guarantee I would always beat you! Hence lately my being a blokart dealers dream customer – always first to purchase new design wheels and tyres,

extra carbons etc.

Swapping karts

with Russell on Sunday clearly demonstrated to me that this sport is as much about the tools as it is about the technique. Both require skill and exist in Blokarting Racing as a symbiotic relationship.

The challenge which I am enjoying immensely  is trying to maximise both.

This is not what your nemesis, Jenny, would say – she has very little input into her kart tuning except to tell me in no uncertain terms when it feels wrong. But – guess what – I got great pleasure when she and her really old black kart with modified battens and careful choice of carbons was able to beat you in your shiny new stainless rocket with standard battens. Was that her skill as a sailor or mine as the mechanic or you being a gentleman?

The really great and special thing about blokarting is we never really know – so we keep coming back trying to find out.

What does standardisation really mean?

If there is a strong voice for standardisation in championship racing then lets not have any doubt as what this can only mean – it means all racers in brand new karts and sails out of the box which have been carefully measured for accurate alignment. Then, like they do with the horses, riders are weighted to reach the top weight within their classes. This is entirely feasible if B/K International and BIA want this. Build 20 to 30  karts and lease out the karts for each race to the racers on a draw system. Say $10.00 a race – much cheaper than airfreight! The raced karts will be quite saleable after the series – or even could be reserved as a fleet for other events. Appoint a fleet manager and small team to check tyre pressure, batten tension and do sail changes if required and lock up the karts at night.  

Standardisation can not possibly, even remotely, mean new karts racing against old, stainless against powdercoat, white and black sails against commercially available coloured ones, different versions of axels, front wheels, bearings and tyres.

So to stir the pot (as you know I am want to do occasionally) I close with this comment

 

How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?

Rgds

Bruce

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Garry,
the only thing that keeps the grease in my bearings when I could not even make the BBC prize giving is reading mailspaces.
  I agree and although  I could afford to kept up with the best equipment, if it was to get a little over the top,I would return to Production Class.I would much rather spend the extra on travel to other International events.In fact if Pods were allowed on production class I would consider that now.
Ross M  (BOP)
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I agree with the 1 Design ruling so as to keep the sport on a level playing field, but I hope this sport does not become bound by the politics of rules that the fun goes from the sport.

 

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Dave,

From my understanding all blokart battens are made to the same specification but they are hand sanded so there is slight variations in each batten. The specification has changed on one occasion in the past and this is very obvious as the newer battens are black and the older ones are grey and over  3 yrs old.  I am sure you will see more consistent battens in the future.  Just my 2 cents.

Cheers

Richard

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From my observations and personal experience, even standard Blokart battens perform differently from Blokart to Blokart. Are they truly built and shaped to the exact same specifications?

 

My 2 cents worth. Or is that now 10 cents?

Dave


From: Garry [mailto:(Address removed)]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:52 PM
To: (Address removed)
Subject: RE: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

I agree with the 1 Design ruling so as to keep the sport on a level playing field, but I hope this sport does not become bound by the politics of rules that the fun goes from the sport.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hales [mailto:(Address removed)]
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 1:48 p.m.
To: (Address removed)
Subject: RE: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

 

Hi Grant,

I have some time on my hands so I thought I would contribute – apologies for personal references to your karting ability

On the issue of even playing fields – please don’t regulate out all the mystery!

I am not afraid to admit that I would love to have a secret technical advantage to make up for my inefficiencies as a sailor which would guarantee I would always beat you! Hence lately my being a blokart dealers dream customer – always first to purchase new design wheels and tyres,

extra carbons etc.

Swapping karts

with Russell on Sunday clearly demonstrated to me that this sport is as much about the tools as it is about the technique. Both require skill and exist in Blokarting Racing as a symbiotic relationship.

The challenge which I am enjoying immensely  is trying to maximise both.

This is not what your nemesis, Jenny, would say – she has very little input into her kart tuning except to tell me in no uncertain terms when it feels wrong. But – guess what – I got great pleasure when she and her really old black kart with modified battens and careful choice of carbons was able to beat you in your shiny new stainless rocket with standard battens. Was that her skill as a sailor or mine as the mechanic or you being a gentleman?

The really great and special thing about blokarting is we never really know – so we keep coming back trying to find out.

What does standardisation really mean?

If there is a strong voice for standardisation in championship racing then lets not have any doubt as what this can only mean – it means all racers in brand new karts and sails out of the box which have been carefully measured for accurate alignment. Then, like they do with the horses, riders are weighted to reach the top weight within their classes. This is entirely feasible if B/K International and BIA want this. Build 20 to 30  karts and lease out the karts for each race to the racers on a draw system. Say $10.00 a race – much cheaper than airfreight! The raced karts will be quite saleable after the series – or even could be reserved as a fleet for other events. Appoint a fleet manager and small team to check tyre pressure, batten tension and do sail changes if required and lock up the karts at night.  

Standardisation can not possibly, even remotely, mean new karts racing against old, stainless against powdercoat, white and black sails against commercially available coloured ones, different versions of axels, front wheels, bearings and tyres.

So to stir the pot (as you know I am want to do occasionally) I close with this comment

 

How does a bit of batten shaping or bearing tinkering even get into the conversation when you can not honestly consider the karts as truly “one design”?

Rgds

Bruce

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·                     bearing tinkering

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·                     fleet manager

·                     karting ability

·                     modified battens

·                     sail changes

·                     standard battens

·                     tyre pressure

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·                     Blokart Bearings

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In a message dated 12/17/06 9:48:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, (Address removed) writes:

<< cultured gentlemen >>?

Grant,
Careful using cuss words like that. Some may take offense.

MM

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Jono,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Any plans to adapt that to the rears? My limited experience on the beach seems to indicate they might be most helpful.

MM

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However, if you’re getting sand, salt and grit into your mast-crane-bearing……..you’re just doing too many wipe-outs.

Now there’s yet another can-of-bearing-worms –

As per prevailing Oz Best Mate advice – Super Glue in the Mast Crane Bearing, as in all bearings, is the Oz way to go – Oz Mates help their mates, right;

In Asia we’re running with a rare oil won from the Cod-Reef-Critter – CRC-565 “Marine-Grade” ;

Or are you cutting your Mast Crane Bearing Seals too, Mike??

Have a “Best Sealed” 2007,

Jimi

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Sent: 2006.12.16 Sat 10:45 a.m.
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Subject: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

My recent trip to the EU Champs was my first multi-day racing experience on a beach. The very fine sand and salt water seemed to get into the bearings within minutes and turn the lube into a brown muddy goo. As a result, I had to clean out and relubricate the bearings at the end of each race day. I almost would have preferred to put a clean set in after each race but that was not realistic. How do you regular "beach bum blokarters" handle this?

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For my bearings (I use standard stainless steel for the beach), I pop the seals when I am cleaning the kart with the water blaster, and do the bearings too, air blast them (I use compressed air from a dive tank) and then re-lube them with Innox.  Also, putting them in a can of machine oil is favoured by some.

CRC 565 is good, but I have a better one too – will post what is called when I get home next week.

Grant

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Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 7:05 a.m.
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However, if you’re getting sand, salt and grit into your mast-crane-bearing……..you’re just doing too many wipe-outs.

Now there’s yet another can-of-bearing-worms –

As per prevailing Oz Best Mate advice – Super Glue in the Mast Crane Bearing, as in all bearings, is the Oz way to go – Oz Mates help their mates, right;

In Asia we’re running with a rare oil won from the Cod-Reef-Critter – CRC-565 “Marine-Grade” ;

Or are you cutting your Mast Crane Bearing Seals too, Mike??

Have a “Best Sealed” 2007,

Jimi

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr Blokart America[mailto:michaelcmoody@cs..com]
Sent: 2006.12.16 Sat 10:45 a.m.
To: BLOKART-NZ
Subject: [blokart] Blokart Bearings, salt water and sand

My recent trip to the EU Champs was my first multi-day racing experience on a beach. The very fine sand and salt water seemed to get into the bearings within minutes and turn the lube into a brown muddy goo. As a result, I had to clean out and relubricate the bearings at the end of each race day. I almost would have preferred to put a clean set in after each race but that was not realistic.. How do you regular "beach bum blokarters" handle this?

Cheers,
MM


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